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Re: Time to listen to your own advice.

Posted by RobEnderle on 2003-10-20 17:29:52

In reply to cypherpunk

You make an interesting point, which appears to be:
“If I would just write the way you would like me to write then the threats would go away and we could all live I piece.”
I not only see this as wrong, but inherently in violation of the very freedom your community seems to be demanding in the market place. This is the “free only if you agree” mentality that often corrupts religious and political movements.
In this case you’ve clearly made two wrong assumptions, one that the threats I speak of were made against me (for the most part they weren’t), and two that I don’t value the freedom of speech granted by my station and nation of birth.
Putting that aside let’s say I’m right and someone does physically attack a SCO executive or Microsoft Executive, or just simply another Open Source person who supports another platform like BSD?
What do we do then? Say oops?
Do you think that the picketers outside of SCO are not likely to get out of hand if SCO actually wins a round in court? Ever seen what can happen in a picket line? What do you think the news will be then?
Having just missed being shot twice because others didn’t take threats seriously I’m perhaps a little more cognizant of the risks associated with strong beliefs, but then again, I do post under my own name and maybe the fact that you don’t says something about the risks you are willing, or not willing, to take.
I can recall that it was unbelievable that anyone in the “Right to Life” movement would actually, despite the threats, kill or maim. But few would argue that point now. In looking at the anger that surrounds and festers in the Open Source community I see a potential for great harm.
My point remains, and pardon me while I once again point out that I am free in this country to make it without fear of threat or reprisal, that if the Open Source community doesn’t begin to police itself eventually events will likely force others to step in and, from that point on, I doubt many will find the result a great deal of fun.
My style is to be controversial, you have to (in my opinion) to get people to challenge their beliefs and maybe avoid mistakes instead of making them. I see too many in the OSS community who feel they need to kill, and I mean this literally, anyone that seems to disagree with them.
For someone in this country, at this time, that should, at the very least, be cause for thought.


*	Topic	Author	Date
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Rob Enderle	2003-10-20 13:59:02
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Kagehi	2004-09-27 13:39:32
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	winuxD	2004-09-17 11:26:25
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	colo_larry	2004-04-12 10:56:14
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	phreakshow	2004-03-11 21:29:03
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	linux_zealot	2004-03-11 07:37:26
	Historical precedent for this conflict	gawiman	2004-02-03 08:31:35
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Hucasys	2004-02-02 09:55:30
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	uwntedmutiny	2004-01-30 04:46:24
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	john_j	2004-01-17 07:41:54
	What the SCO case is about	waratah	2003-12-31 21:50:28
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Robincc	2003-12-17 11:15:55
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Robincc	2003-12-17 04:00:26
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Curious	2003-10-29 08:46:52
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Robincc	2003-12-16 10:29:59
	real threat to open source	constant	2003-10-24 13:12:18
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	patrickbealey	2003-10-23 03:12:35
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	zjimward	2003-10-22 09:55:45
	it is clear where you are comming from.	jk_schnider	2003-10-21 22:07:08
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Daemon	2003-10-21 21:09:14
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Timex	2003-10-21 19:48:50
	only 3 groups	quadelirus	2003-10-21 18:34:11
	Re: only 3 groups	dclanepe	2003-12-14 11:58:03
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	sinp	2003-10-21 16:19:58
	help, my neighbors are communists!	yossarian	2003-10-21 13:10:03
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	gatorarts	2003-10-21 12:21:44
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	cypherpunks	2003-10-21 11:46:52
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	saigumi	2003-10-21 11:40:00
	The Rules of Slashdot	MajorDongle	2003-10-21 11:33:46
	Re: The Rules of Slashdot	ixnayrox	2003-10-21 18:43:43
	Editor, please....	sensitive	2003-10-21 10:50:00
	Re: Editor, please....	Zebop	2003-10-21 11:57:40
	Re: Editor, please....	bex	2003-10-26 14:40:09
	Re: Editor, please....	zjimward	2003-10-22 10:10:32
	Re: Editor, please....	cypherpunks	2003-10-21 16:12:33
	Re: Editor, please....	zx80	2003-10-21 14:33:35
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	laytonbaker	2003-10-21 10:48:13
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	KrisJ	2003-10-21 10:18:41
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	thaleus	2003-10-21 09:36:14
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Viking	2003-10-21 08:27:47
	Short question	Shaggy763	2003-10-21 08:08:17
	Linux User's response	Harlock	2003-10-21 07:57:26
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	clasmc	2003-10-21 07:22:28
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	MHCBigs	2003-10-21 07:19:46
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	activist	2003-10-23 03:01:50
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	quadelirus	2003-10-21 19:11:09
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	MHCBigs	2003-10-22 07:02:41
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	quadelirus	2003-10-22 12:58:05
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	joeldg	2003-10-21 07:02:42
	Born on the back of terrorists...	jasonlotito	2003-10-21 06:56:54
	Everyone has an agenda	SmallTownGuy	2003-10-21 06:48:10
	Enderle diplays zealot-like irrationality	oicu	2003-10-21 06:37:29
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	leng	2003-10-21 06:26:10
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	lotraz	2003-10-21 06:21:17
	Godwin's Law	arthegall	2003-10-21 05:42:31
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	rsff	2003-10-21 05:37:53
	To my favorite anti open source Zealot	treadup	2003-10-21 03:16:20
	Re: To my favorite anti open source Zealot	bucurosa	2003-10-21 06:23:02
	Provocation	Korpo	2003-10-21 01:09:22
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	seal	2003-10-21 00:36:38
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	jrrich	2003-10-21 11:43:36
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	jasonlotito	2003-10-21 07:00:55
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Dekkard	2003-10-20 23:44:10
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	tungtung	2003-10-20 22:49:50
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Steve_Martin	2003-10-20 19:26:25
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	RobEnderle	2003-10-20 21:09:44
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	CryBaby	2003-10-21 12:40:54
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	randal	2003-10-21 05:49:35
	I think this is an oversimplification	Demosthenes	2003-10-20 18:41:25
	Re: I think this is an oversimplification	RobEnderle	2003-10-20 20:06:15
	Re: I think this is an oversimplification	quadelirus	2003-10-22 13:47:47
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	zuesse	2003-10-20 17:58:53
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	RobEnderle	2003-10-20 21:11:53
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	ixnayrox	2003-10-20 17:50:17
	So what category does IBM fall into?	dsnider	2003-10-20 17:45:39
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	RobEnderle	2003-10-20 21:21:38
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	wsharr	2003-10-21 21:49:16
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	cypherpunks	2003-10-21 16:05:59
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	dpates	2003-10-21 14:38:49
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	cypherpunks	2003-10-21 11:58:15
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	neillewis	2003-10-21 11:06:15
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	simcop2387	2003-10-21 07:03:02
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	pato	2003-10-21 05:59:49
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	metal_hurlant	2003-10-21 00:23:52
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	cacurler	2003-10-22 23:17:46
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	vm_hacker	2003-10-21 00:07:32
	Time to listen to your own advice.	cypherpunk	2003-10-20 16:13:46
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	RobEnderle	2003-10-20 17:29:52
	"kill"?	bani	2003-11-18 22:03:11
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	CryBaby	2003-10-21 11:08:25
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	aristeu	2003-10-21 07:01:56
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	cypherpunk	2003-10-20 20:53:49
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	RobEnderle	2003-10-20 21:30:15
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	georgeB	2003-10-22 22:46:27
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	cypherpunks	2003-10-21 16:27:54
	Re: Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	ee_man	2003-10-21 10:00:30
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	neillewis	2003-10-21 09:22:57
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	cypherpunks	2003-10-23 01:06:09
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	simcop2387	2003-10-21 06:44:39
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	dokterneo	2003-10-21 06:27:28