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Everyone has an agenda

Posted by SmallTownGuy on 2003-10-21 06:48:10

In reply to Rob Enderle

It doesn't matter what side you are on. When there are opposing views, the people on both sides will resort to true zealotry while at the same time accusing others of zealotry when they are simply advocating. In reality, one side's "advocate" is another side's "zealot". It could be argued that Enderle, himself, is a zealot for the Windows camp.
The real issues:
1. Microsoft exists solely for profit. Their technology is mostly bits and pieces bought from other companies and integrated into their prodcuts. We all know how DOS came about and that's pretty much been Microsoft's approach from day one. Microsoft is a business.
2. Linux exists as a labor of love for some people. Think about it. Why are all of these developers spending their time hacking the kernel, the drivers, and the applications that make up a typical GNU/Linux distribution? Some of them do it because they get paid, so there is some profit motive. But by and large, it's soley because these folks love computers and love to code. Linux is not a business (even though there are businesses based on it).
In our capitalist society, the only reason for being for many people is to make money. Since a lot of people (people who would support Microsoft or SCO for example) have accepted that as the way to "make it" in our society they feel threatened when there is something that they can't easily capitalize. It makes them feel threatened and they begin to find ways to try and attack it in the hopes that it will either fail or that it will change and fall into line with their view of the world.
As the subject line states, everyone has an agenda. My agenda is a personal one. I may be rare, but I don't think I'm that rare. I see coding and working with Linux at home as no different than the man who has a wood shop and makes his own furniture with no intention of making a profit from it. It's done for the love of a craft. And it's also done for convenience and possibly frugality. With all the things my computers at home do for me (Nearly 100% Linux based), I would have had to spend tens of thousands of dollars on commercial software. The only thing I've had to spend on my systems currently is my time. And considering that I love working with computers, it was more of a pleasure than a burden.
Enderle has an agenda too. It's fairly clear from his articles that he despises Linux. I can't speak for the man's personal interests, but I would also guess he's one of the folks who believes in capitalism lock, stock and barrel. He makes some very strong statements about Linux based on his interactions with a small, vocal segment of the Linux community. He said this himself in the article. His agenda is clearly in support of Microsoft. And what he does say about Linux tends to be very negative. From the perspective of a happy Linux user, Enderle is also a zealot. Which, by his own reckoning, would also make him a terrorist. (How do you like that Enderle?) My point? Anyone who strongly and vocally supports an opposing view is going to be seen as a "zealot".
In the end it comes down to this:
One man's advocate is another man's zealot. Congrats Enderly, you just undid yourself.


*	Topic	Author	Date
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Rob Enderle	2003-10-20 13:59:02
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Kagehi	2004-09-27 13:39:32
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	winuxD	2004-09-17 11:26:25
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	colo_larry	2004-04-12 10:56:14
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	phreakshow	2004-03-11 21:29:03
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	linux_zealot	2004-03-11 07:37:26
	Historical precedent for this conflict	gawiman	2004-02-03 08:31:35
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Hucasys	2004-02-02 09:55:30
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	uwntedmutiny	2004-01-30 04:46:24
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	john_j	2004-01-17 07:41:54
	What the SCO case is about	waratah	2003-12-31 21:50:28
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Robincc	2003-12-17 11:15:55
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Robincc	2003-12-17 04:00:26
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Curious	2003-10-29 08:46:52
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Robincc	2003-12-16 10:29:59
	real threat to open source	constant	2003-10-24 13:12:18
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	patrickbealey	2003-10-23 03:12:35
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	zjimward	2003-10-22 09:55:45
	it is clear where you are comming from.	jk_schnider	2003-10-21 22:07:08
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Daemon	2003-10-21 21:09:14
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Timex	2003-10-21 19:48:50
	only 3 groups	quadelirus	2003-10-21 18:34:11
	Re: only 3 groups	dclanepe	2003-12-14 11:58:03
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	sinp	2003-10-21 16:19:58
	help, my neighbors are communists!	yossarian	2003-10-21 13:10:03
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	gatorarts	2003-10-21 12:21:44
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	cypherpunks	2003-10-21 11:46:52
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	saigumi	2003-10-21 11:40:00
	The Rules of Slashdot	MajorDongle	2003-10-21 11:33:46
	Re: The Rules of Slashdot	ixnayrox	2003-10-21 18:43:43
	Editor, please....	sensitive	2003-10-21 10:50:00
	Re: Editor, please....	Zebop	2003-10-21 11:57:40
	Re: Editor, please....	bex	2003-10-26 14:40:09
	Re: Editor, please....	zjimward	2003-10-22 10:10:32
	Re: Editor, please....	cypherpunks	2003-10-21 16:12:33
	Re: Editor, please....	zx80	2003-10-21 14:33:35
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	laytonbaker	2003-10-21 10:48:13
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	KrisJ	2003-10-21 10:18:41
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	thaleus	2003-10-21 09:36:14
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Viking	2003-10-21 08:27:47
	Short question	Shaggy763	2003-10-21 08:08:17
	Linux User's response	Harlock	2003-10-21 07:57:26
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	clasmc	2003-10-21 07:22:28
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	MHCBigs	2003-10-21 07:19:46
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	activist	2003-10-23 03:01:50
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	quadelirus	2003-10-21 19:11:09
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	MHCBigs	2003-10-22 07:02:41
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	quadelirus	2003-10-22 12:58:05
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	joeldg	2003-10-21 07:02:42
	Born on the back of terrorists...	jasonlotito	2003-10-21 06:56:54
	Everyone has an agenda	SmallTownGuy	2003-10-21 06:48:10
	Enderle diplays zealot-like irrationality	oicu	2003-10-21 06:37:29
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	leng	2003-10-21 06:26:10
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	lotraz	2003-10-21 06:21:17
	Godwin's Law	arthegall	2003-10-21 05:42:31
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	rsff	2003-10-21 05:37:53
	To my favorite anti open source Zealot	treadup	2003-10-21 03:16:20
	Re: To my favorite anti open source Zealot	bucurosa	2003-10-21 06:23:02
	Provocation	Korpo	2003-10-21 01:09:22
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	seal	2003-10-21 00:36:38
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	jrrich	2003-10-21 11:43:36
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	jasonlotito	2003-10-21 07:00:55
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Dekkard	2003-10-20 23:44:10
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	tungtung	2003-10-20 22:49:50
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Steve_Martin	2003-10-20 19:26:25
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	RobEnderle	2003-10-20 21:09:44
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	CryBaby	2003-10-21 12:40:54
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	randal	2003-10-21 05:49:35
	I think this is an oversimplification	Demosthenes	2003-10-20 18:41:25
	Re: I think this is an oversimplification	RobEnderle	2003-10-20 20:06:15
	Re: I think this is an oversimplification	quadelirus	2003-10-22 13:47:47
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	zuesse	2003-10-20 17:58:53
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	RobEnderle	2003-10-20 21:11:53
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	ixnayrox	2003-10-20 17:50:17
	So what category does IBM fall into?	dsnider	2003-10-20 17:45:39
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	RobEnderle	2003-10-20 21:21:38
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	wsharr	2003-10-21 21:49:16
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	cypherpunks	2003-10-21 16:05:59
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	dpates	2003-10-21 14:38:49
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	cypherpunks	2003-10-21 11:58:15
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	neillewis	2003-10-21 11:06:15
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	simcop2387	2003-10-21 07:03:02
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	pato	2003-10-21 05:59:49
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	metal_hurlant	2003-10-21 00:23:52
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	cacurler	2003-10-22 23:17:46
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	vm_hacker	2003-10-21 00:07:32
	Time to listen to your own advice.	cypherpunk	2003-10-20 16:13:46
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	RobEnderle	2003-10-20 17:29:52
	"kill"?	bani	2003-11-18 22:03:11
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	CryBaby	2003-10-21 11:08:25
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	aristeu	2003-10-21 07:01:56
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	cypherpunk	2003-10-20 20:53:49
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	RobEnderle	2003-10-20 21:30:15
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	georgeB	2003-10-22 22:46:27
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	cypherpunks	2003-10-21 16:27:54
	Re: Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	ee_man	2003-10-21 10:00:30
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	neillewis	2003-10-21 09:22:57
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	cypherpunks	2003-10-23 01:06:09
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	simcop2387	2003-10-21 06:44:39
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	dokterneo	2003-10-21 06:27:28