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Posted by Harlock on 2003-10-21 07:57:26

In reply to Rob Enderle

Coming from a Linux user's standpoint, I can see the phenomenon you are talking about, (as difficult as it is to admit). To go out and get proof of Linux zealotry, one has only to log onto any IRC server and join a #linux channel. You will never find a greater conglomeration of self righteous, elitist snobs anywhere on the net. The saddest part is that these people have the least effect on the actual progress of the community. While they sit there all day badmouthing everybody else and each other, developers are busy making the system better.
Now that I have finished putting a face on the dregs of the open source community, I would like to say that I'm a Linux supporter through and through. I tend to support open source solutions, & When I start projects of my own, I like opening them up because I believe in the ideals of the community. Allot of people use Linux for technical reasons, and it is arguably a very excellent solution based solely on technical merit, however, if technical merit were the only draw to using Linux, then Linux itself would never have been created. Your article in summing up the personalities in the community seems to have overlooked the most important aspect of our community and relegated it to priesthood. Perhaps the priestly class should be a little more honest about their reasons for championing open source,and perhaps they try to explain it to people and are woefully misunderstood. The latter has been my own experience as I find it very difficult to explain to people why it is that I enjoy using Linux over other systems. It's arguably more work, (although not so much anymore). "Where is the payback?" they ask, "is it faster?", "is it more stable?", "is there no blue screen of death?". My answer has to be "no", these are not the reasons. I use the system because I exercise a certain ownership over the system that I can't have with other platforms. I flatly don't feel comfortable using other platforms anymore. I feel like someone has strings attached trying to bend me to their will when I use other systems. This is my reason for being here, and I feel it's a good reason. I champion the adoption of Linux for technical reasons, and when I hear people give complaints of what they're running that sound like some of the concerns I mentioned above, sometimes I give them a nudge over to my world, and sometimes they take the bait, and sometimes not.
I hope that possibly I have clarified my position as one among many in the open source world.


*	Topic	Author	Date
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Rob Enderle	2003-10-20 13:59:02
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Kagehi	2004-09-27 13:39:32
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	winuxD	2004-09-17 11:26:25
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	colo_larry	2004-04-12 10:56:14
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	phreakshow	2004-03-11 21:29:03
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	linux_zealot	2004-03-11 07:37:26
	Historical precedent for this conflict	gawiman	2004-02-03 08:31:35
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Hucasys	2004-02-02 09:55:30
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	uwntedmutiny	2004-01-30 04:46:24
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	john_j	2004-01-17 07:41:54
	What the SCO case is about	waratah	2003-12-31 21:50:28
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Robincc	2003-12-17 11:15:55
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Robincc	2003-12-17 04:00:26
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Curious	2003-10-29 08:46:52
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Robincc	2003-12-16 10:29:59
	real threat to open source	constant	2003-10-24 13:12:18
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	patrickbealey	2003-10-23 03:12:35
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	zjimward	2003-10-22 09:55:45
	it is clear where you are comming from.	jk_schnider	2003-10-21 22:07:08
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Daemon	2003-10-21 21:09:14
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Timex	2003-10-21 19:48:50
	only 3 groups	quadelirus	2003-10-21 18:34:11
	Re: only 3 groups	dclanepe	2003-12-14 11:58:03
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	sinp	2003-10-21 16:19:58
	help, my neighbors are communists!	yossarian	2003-10-21 13:10:03
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	gatorarts	2003-10-21 12:21:44
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	cypherpunks	2003-10-21 11:46:52
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	saigumi	2003-10-21 11:40:00
	The Rules of Slashdot	MajorDongle	2003-10-21 11:33:46
	Re: The Rules of Slashdot	ixnayrox	2003-10-21 18:43:43
	Editor, please....	sensitive	2003-10-21 10:50:00
	Re: Editor, please....	Zebop	2003-10-21 11:57:40
	Re: Editor, please....	bex	2003-10-26 14:40:09
	Re: Editor, please....	zjimward	2003-10-22 10:10:32
	Re: Editor, please....	cypherpunks	2003-10-21 16:12:33
	Re: Editor, please....	zx80	2003-10-21 14:33:35
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	laytonbaker	2003-10-21 10:48:13
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	KrisJ	2003-10-21 10:18:41
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	thaleus	2003-10-21 09:36:14
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Viking	2003-10-21 08:27:47
	Short question	Shaggy763	2003-10-21 08:08:17
	Linux User's response	Harlock	2003-10-21 07:57:26
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	clasmc	2003-10-21 07:22:28
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	MHCBigs	2003-10-21 07:19:46
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	activist	2003-10-23 03:01:50
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	quadelirus	2003-10-21 19:11:09
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	MHCBigs	2003-10-22 07:02:41
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	quadelirus	2003-10-22 12:58:05
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	joeldg	2003-10-21 07:02:42
	Born on the back of terrorists...	jasonlotito	2003-10-21 06:56:54
	Everyone has an agenda	SmallTownGuy	2003-10-21 06:48:10
	Enderle diplays zealot-like irrationality	oicu	2003-10-21 06:37:29
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	leng	2003-10-21 06:26:10
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	lotraz	2003-10-21 06:21:17
	Godwin's Law	arthegall	2003-10-21 05:42:31
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	rsff	2003-10-21 05:37:53
	To my favorite anti open source Zealot	treadup	2003-10-21 03:16:20
	Re: To my favorite anti open source Zealot	bucurosa	2003-10-21 06:23:02
	Provocation	Korpo	2003-10-21 01:09:22
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	seal	2003-10-21 00:36:38
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	jrrich	2003-10-21 11:43:36
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	jasonlotito	2003-10-21 07:00:55
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Dekkard	2003-10-20 23:44:10
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	tungtung	2003-10-20 22:49:50
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	Steve_Martin	2003-10-20 19:26:25
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	RobEnderle	2003-10-20 21:09:44
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	CryBaby	2003-10-21 12:40:54
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	randal	2003-10-21 05:49:35
	I think this is an oversimplification	Demosthenes	2003-10-20 18:41:25
	Re: I think this is an oversimplification	RobEnderle	2003-10-20 20:06:15
	Re: I think this is an oversimplification	quadelirus	2003-10-22 13:47:47
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	zuesse	2003-10-20 17:58:53
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	RobEnderle	2003-10-20 21:11:53
	Re: Pros, Priests and Zealots: The Three Faces of Linux	ixnayrox	2003-10-20 17:50:17
	So what category does IBM fall into?	dsnider	2003-10-20 17:45:39
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	RobEnderle	2003-10-20 21:21:38
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	wsharr	2003-10-21 21:49:16
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	cypherpunks	2003-10-21 16:05:59
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	dpates	2003-10-21 14:38:49
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	cypherpunks	2003-10-21 11:58:15
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	neillewis	2003-10-21 11:06:15
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	simcop2387	2003-10-21 07:03:02
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	pato	2003-10-21 05:59:49
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	metal_hurlant	2003-10-21 00:23:52
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	cacurler	2003-10-22 23:17:46
	Re: So what category does IBM fall into?	vm_hacker	2003-10-21 00:07:32
	Time to listen to your own advice.	cypherpunk	2003-10-20 16:13:46
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	RobEnderle	2003-10-20 17:29:52
	"kill"?	bani	2003-11-18 22:03:11
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	CryBaby	2003-10-21 11:08:25
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	aristeu	2003-10-21 07:01:56
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	cypherpunk	2003-10-20 20:53:49
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	RobEnderle	2003-10-20 21:30:15
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	georgeB	2003-10-22 22:46:27
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	cypherpunks	2003-10-21 16:27:54
	Re: Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	ee_man	2003-10-21 10:00:30
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	neillewis	2003-10-21 09:22:57
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	cypherpunks	2003-10-23 01:06:09
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	simcop2387	2003-10-21 06:44:39
	Re: Time to listen to your own advice.	dokterneo	2003-10-21 06:27:28